We are making some exciting changes coming soon at Rugen Team Investigations. We are not only increasing our staff, but adding some new services to our clients.
Recent changes have been adding new offices in Springfield, Missouri (www.SpringfieldMoPrivateInvestigator.com) and Columbia, Missouri (www.ColumbiaMissouriPI.com). This has allowed us to provide area resident with some great alternatives to what the previously had available.
Now, in the coming months, owner Ron Rugen will become certified as an audio/video bug sweeper. While we currently offer this service, it will allow us to respond more quickly with Ron certified in bug sweeps.
Ron Rugen is also in the planning stages of putting together a 21st century state of the art surveillance van with hidden cameras on all sides. This will be a great enhancement to our surveillance for cheating spouses, personal injury cases and worker's comp fraud.
Also in the works, Ron Rugen will be expanding his private investigator licensing into additional states.
Further, within six months, Ron Rugen will be trained in Voice Stress Analysis (VSA). In many cases, VSA is considered more active than lie detectors.
Look for announcements of these upcoming changes as they occur.
Friday, November 8, 2013
Thursday, July 12, 2012
New Blog on Irwin Case
Our blog has moved. Feel free to view today's blog I've written on the missing baby Lisa Irwin case:
http://www.privateinvestigator-blog.com
http://www.privateinvestigator-blog.com
Tuesday, June 12, 2012
Moving Our Blog Location
We appreciate all of the interest many of you have shown in our blog.
Effective immediately, our blog will now move to:
http://www.kc-pi.com/blog
Thanks for reading! Ron Rugen
Effective immediately, our blog will now move to:
http://www.kc-pi.com/blog
Thanks for reading! Ron Rugen
Monday, May 21, 2012
Baby Lisa Irwin Case: Who's the Bigger Narcissist?
It all reminds you of a Vegas boxing match. "In this corner, the mother of the missing baby, who keeps changing her story, who doesn't look or act desperate enough, Deborah Bradley!" Faint applause from the cheap seats with boos and sneers from the those at ring side.
"And in this corner, the attorney who shows up only on network TV, from New York and Itally, who doesn't always have his script accurate, Joooooooooe Tacopina!"
And the show continues.
The parents of missing Baby Lisa Irwin, Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin, were on The Today Show this morning. We were all curious rubber necks waiting and watching what made this news worthy. In speaking with local reporters in Kansas City, the timing couldn't be worse. Their attention is focused more on the one year anniversary of the devastating Joplin, Missouri, tornado and the President's appearance at a local high school commencement there tonight.
Now, the parents are saying that Jeremy's debit card information was stolen back in November and the card was used to make a $69 purchase on a website that changes names. But, the site now belongs to a stationery company who claims not to know what they are talking about.
Folks, this is not new news. I knew about this back in December 2011. Remember when Kansas City figure head attorney John Picerno went on the Fox News Channel and claimed there was a new tip. This is that tip. I was told that Jeremy's banker shared the information with him and Jeremy, in turn, contacted the FBI.
So, they are just now bringing it to public attention some six months later. Why have they held this "card" up their sleeve?
Further, if law enforcement has been given this information and they know the site where the card was allegedly used, they should also know where an order for a new ID shipped, if it occurred?
And why would you change the name of an infant and leave a paper trail? Why not get a whole new birth certificate with a new name and date of birth?
The optimists, or Deborah-huggers, would say today's appearance is to keep Lisa's name out there. Really? If that were the case, wouldn't she be annoying law enforcement on a daily basis, out combing the streets doing just that?
In my opinion, this does not appear to be anything at all. Watching The Today Show interview today is five minutes of my life I will not get back.
During today's interview in New York, family attorney Joe Tacopina again brought up the alleged phone call from Deborah's phone to that of Megan Wright's phone the night Lisa was last seen. He mentioned that Megan was the "on-again, off-again" girlfriend of who he called "Jersey Joe". Who the hell is "Jersey Joe"? Come on, Tacopina. Either keep up with this case like the rest of us or get briefed before you go on the air. Tacopina, you are Joe. The alleged person of interest you speak of is Jersey or John Tanko.
In the segment this morning on NBC, it was referenced that a neighbor saw a man with a baby early that morning. Prior to discontinuing active work on this case a few months back, I was told that this neighbor was no longer convinced that was "Jersey" and may have just been caught up in the hype.
Ann Curry, the Today host in this morning's interview, pointed out that Deborah was crying while the "set-up" piece ran summarizing the case's story. As the camera cut to Bradley, she was misty. In the five hours I spent with Bradley, the only time I saw her cry was when she complained about what people were saying about her on Facebook and admitting she was using aliases to be a part of it.
Which is this? Is it Munchausen or narcissism?
"And in this corner, the attorney who shows up only on network TV, from New York and Itally, who doesn't always have his script accurate, Joooooooooe Tacopina!"
And the show continues.
The parents of missing Baby Lisa Irwin, Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin, were on The Today Show this morning. We were all curious rubber necks waiting and watching what made this news worthy. In speaking with local reporters in Kansas City, the timing couldn't be worse. Their attention is focused more on the one year anniversary of the devastating Joplin, Missouri, tornado and the President's appearance at a local high school commencement there tonight.
Now, the parents are saying that Jeremy's debit card information was stolen back in November and the card was used to make a $69 purchase on a website that changes names. But, the site now belongs to a stationery company who claims not to know what they are talking about.
Folks, this is not new news. I knew about this back in December 2011. Remember when Kansas City figure head attorney John Picerno went on the Fox News Channel and claimed there was a new tip. This is that tip. I was told that Jeremy's banker shared the information with him and Jeremy, in turn, contacted the FBI.
So, they are just now bringing it to public attention some six months later. Why have they held this "card" up their sleeve?
Further, if law enforcement has been given this information and they know the site where the card was allegedly used, they should also know where an order for a new ID shipped, if it occurred?
And why would you change the name of an infant and leave a paper trail? Why not get a whole new birth certificate with a new name and date of birth?
The optimists, or Deborah-huggers, would say today's appearance is to keep Lisa's name out there. Really? If that were the case, wouldn't she be annoying law enforcement on a daily basis, out combing the streets doing just that?
In my opinion, this does not appear to be anything at all. Watching The Today Show interview today is five minutes of my life I will not get back.
During today's interview in New York, family attorney Joe Tacopina again brought up the alleged phone call from Deborah's phone to that of Megan Wright's phone the night Lisa was last seen. He mentioned that Megan was the "on-again, off-again" girlfriend of who he called "Jersey Joe". Who the hell is "Jersey Joe"? Come on, Tacopina. Either keep up with this case like the rest of us or get briefed before you go on the air. Tacopina, you are Joe. The alleged person of interest you speak of is Jersey or John Tanko.
In the segment this morning on NBC, it was referenced that a neighbor saw a man with a baby early that morning. Prior to discontinuing active work on this case a few months back, I was told that this neighbor was no longer convinced that was "Jersey" and may have just been caught up in the hype.
Ann Curry, the Today host in this morning's interview, pointed out that Deborah was crying while the "set-up" piece ran summarizing the case's story. As the camera cut to Bradley, she was misty. In the five hours I spent with Bradley, the only time I saw her cry was when she complained about what people were saying about her on Facebook and admitting she was using aliases to be a part of it.
Which is this? Is it Munchausen or narcissism?
Friday, April 6, 2012
This Week's Wild Ride on North Lister
This has been one of the wackiest weeks in the Baby Lisa Irwin case in several weeks. The six month observance of her disappearance has seen a flurry of activity this week and things that make you go hmmm.
Monday - An HLN commentator is on air saying that the person keeping the Baby Lisa case alive is an owner of a Facebook page. Who the hell got to this commentator? Don't take me wrong. This is not an ego defense on my part. But to imply that this histrionic Facebook page that verbally attacks anybody who gets in their way is the only reason the Baby Lisa case remains heard is ridiculous. Has he not heard of Websleuths, Scaredmonkeys, and others that continue to discuss this case? I have the greatest respect for HLN. I have been a guest on the Jane Velez-Mitchell show nearly a handful of times. By the way, Jane is so interested in accuracy of reporting developments of this case, she actually called me one afternoon a few hours before we did the show to go over the complexities of this case. I have the greatest respect for Jane and her interest in the developments in this case.
Tuesday Afternoon - Irwin/Bradley attorney John Picerno calls in to 980 KMBZ's Dana and Parks Show and now wants us to believe that Deborah Bradley never, ever was administered a polygraph test. When asked, Picerno said, "Nope. Never."
Are you kidding me? Both Deborah Bradley and attorney Joe Tacopina have said publicly on multiple occasions that law enforcement told her she failed one question on the lie detector test. How do you go from wondering whether you were told the truth about failing a lie detector test to that test never occurred? Deborah Bradley told me personally, face-to-face, that she was not sure that she failed the test, only that law enforcement told her she had failed.
This reminds me of Bill Stanton coming to town back in October and calling himself a private investigator (which some reporters are still giving him that title even after we know he is not). It was very poor judgement, in my opinion, for Stanton to come forward in a case being watched nationwide and calling himself a PI when we cannot find he is licensed as one in Missouri, nor his home state of New York. Now, Picerno would have us believe this lie detector story when it has already been documented and seen all over the country that Tacopina discussing this polygraph test. Give us a break!
Tuesday Evening - Local activists meet at a nearby street corner from the Bradley/Irwin house to launch pastel colored balloons to acknowledge Lisa's six month disappearance. Lisa's father Jeremy Irwin then surprised everyone in attendance, including reporters, by emerging from the house while he attempted to blend in with attendees. Reporters then approached Jeremy to hold an impromptu news conference. None of the questions were tough, probably because reporters were so surprised he emerged.
It was a good public relations move. When the family clams up, that is when reporters seek out others to interview who may not be as favorable to the family's story as to what happened the night Lisa was reported missing.
Since then, we have noticed that photos have emerged on a Find Lisa website. I'm not going to download the photo to post here because they have copyrighted it.
Go to this website: http://findlisairwin.com/?page_id=9. When you go there, look at the very last photo (assuming they leave it up after we publish this blog). It is labeled as Lisa's beauty mark. It is said to be located on Lisa's outer right thigh.
Is it me or is this clearly the photo of a mole on an adult's forearm? If we give them the benefit of the doubt, was it worded poorly and we are to assume that this person's beauty mark is similar in nature to Lisa's beauty mark.
If this is supposed to be a photo of Lisa's right outer thigh, (a) it looks nothing like a thigh and (b) why would you just so happened to have had the foresight to have taken a photo of that body part? I can see if maybe it was part of another photo and it was zoomed in and enhanced, but that clearly is not the case here. I predicted on my business Facebook page (http://www.Facebook.com/KansasCityPI) that after posting here the photo there it would be "removed and/or I will get a text message from one of the family minions defending their position." Today, I received a text message (not from Jeremy or Deborah, however).
Thursday - In a story updated on Thursday, April 5, 2012, a letter sent by Baby Lisa's aunt Ashley Irwin (http://www.hlntv.com/article/2012/04/04/6-months-later-and-still-no-sign-baby-lisa) to CNN's Jim Spellman is another public relations move to discuss all the things that Ashley says she is missing in Lisa's life, all of the milestones. This sounds all sweet until you know Ashley Irwin has never held Lisa in her arms, let alone seen her face to face. When you know that, this letter seems a little shallow and empty, in my opinion.
Wow. It has been a crazy week. I again call out for Jeremy Irwin and Deborah Bradley to take attorney John Picerno with them to the KCPD, talk to them separately with Picerno in tow, and pick and choose the questions they will answer. That is true cooperation. Until then, you are only cooperating on your terms, but nobody is arrested.
In observance of Easter, we are reminded of God the Father who loved the world so much that he sacrificed the life of his own son.
Monday - An HLN commentator is on air saying that the person keeping the Baby Lisa case alive is an owner of a Facebook page. Who the hell got to this commentator? Don't take me wrong. This is not an ego defense on my part. But to imply that this histrionic Facebook page that verbally attacks anybody who gets in their way is the only reason the Baby Lisa case remains heard is ridiculous. Has he not heard of Websleuths, Scaredmonkeys, and others that continue to discuss this case? I have the greatest respect for HLN. I have been a guest on the Jane Velez-Mitchell show nearly a handful of times. By the way, Jane is so interested in accuracy of reporting developments of this case, she actually called me one afternoon a few hours before we did the show to go over the complexities of this case. I have the greatest respect for Jane and her interest in the developments in this case.
Tuesday Afternoon - Irwin/Bradley attorney John Picerno calls in to 980 KMBZ's Dana and Parks Show and now wants us to believe that Deborah Bradley never, ever was administered a polygraph test. When asked, Picerno said, "Nope. Never."
Are you kidding me? Both Deborah Bradley and attorney Joe Tacopina have said publicly on multiple occasions that law enforcement told her she failed one question on the lie detector test. How do you go from wondering whether you were told the truth about failing a lie detector test to that test never occurred? Deborah Bradley told me personally, face-to-face, that she was not sure that she failed the test, only that law enforcement told her she had failed.
This reminds me of Bill Stanton coming to town back in October and calling himself a private investigator (which some reporters are still giving him that title even after we know he is not). It was very poor judgement, in my opinion, for Stanton to come forward in a case being watched nationwide and calling himself a PI when we cannot find he is licensed as one in Missouri, nor his home state of New York. Now, Picerno would have us believe this lie detector story when it has already been documented and seen all over the country that Tacopina discussing this polygraph test. Give us a break!
Tuesday Evening - Local activists meet at a nearby street corner from the Bradley/Irwin house to launch pastel colored balloons to acknowledge Lisa's six month disappearance. Lisa's father Jeremy Irwin then surprised everyone in attendance, including reporters, by emerging from the house while he attempted to blend in with attendees. Reporters then approached Jeremy to hold an impromptu news conference. None of the questions were tough, probably because reporters were so surprised he emerged.
It was a good public relations move. When the family clams up, that is when reporters seek out others to interview who may not be as favorable to the family's story as to what happened the night Lisa was reported missing.
Since then, we have noticed that photos have emerged on a Find Lisa website. I'm not going to download the photo to post here because they have copyrighted it.
Go to this website: http://findlisairwin.com/?page_id=9. When you go there, look at the very last photo (assuming they leave it up after we publish this blog). It is labeled as Lisa's beauty mark. It is said to be located on Lisa's outer right thigh.
Is it me or is this clearly the photo of a mole on an adult's forearm? If we give them the benefit of the doubt, was it worded poorly and we are to assume that this person's beauty mark is similar in nature to Lisa's beauty mark.
If this is supposed to be a photo of Lisa's right outer thigh, (a) it looks nothing like a thigh and (b) why would you just so happened to have had the foresight to have taken a photo of that body part? I can see if maybe it was part of another photo and it was zoomed in and enhanced, but that clearly is not the case here. I predicted on my business Facebook page (http://www.Facebook.com/KansasCityPI) that after posting here the photo there it would be "removed and/or I will get a text message from one of the family minions defending their position." Today, I received a text message (not from Jeremy or Deborah, however).
Thursday - In a story updated on Thursday, April 5, 2012, a letter sent by Baby Lisa's aunt Ashley Irwin (http://www.hlntv.com/article/2012/04/04/6-months-later-and-still-no-sign-baby-lisa) to CNN's Jim Spellman is another public relations move to discuss all the things that Ashley says she is missing in Lisa's life, all of the milestones. This sounds all sweet until you know Ashley Irwin has never held Lisa in her arms, let alone seen her face to face. When you know that, this letter seems a little shallow and empty, in my opinion.
Wow. It has been a crazy week. I again call out for Jeremy Irwin and Deborah Bradley to take attorney John Picerno with them to the KCPD, talk to them separately with Picerno in tow, and pick and choose the questions they will answer. That is true cooperation. Until then, you are only cooperating on your terms, but nobody is arrested.
In observance of Easter, we are reminded of God the Father who loved the world so much that he sacrificed the life of his own son.
Sunday, April 1, 2012
April Fool's Day On North Lister
This Tuesday night/Wednesday morning marks six months since anyone reported seeing Baby Lisa Irwin alive. When she was last seen at her Kansas City home, she was ten months old. If she is alive now, she could look much different than her photos. That is, if she is alive.
I was at the picket protest today in front of the Bradley/Irwin home on N. Lister to observe. You would recognize the residence. It is the one that does not have its lawn mowed with a few signs in the windows.
A silver vehicle stopped at a nearby intersection in the street, apparently curiosity seeking during the early minutes of the protest. When persons in attendance walked that direction, the vehicle left, reportedly snapping photographs of license plates of those in attendance. It appears it MAY have been the owners of a pro-Deborah Bradley website.
When this occurs, you have to ask why? Were they attempting to intimidate the peaceful protestors by snapping the photos? What do they plan to do with the license plate photos? Not just anyone can LEGALLY run license plates and, those who can, must have permissible purpose. Once again, those supporting the family's view of what happened that night are making those who do not drink the kool-aid into those that are demonized.
Another protestor believed they saw a relative of Deborah Bradley's drive by and give a finger of disapproval to those in attendance. I hope they were wrong.
It appears there are two "teams". Those who are for finding out who is responsible for the disappearance of Lisa and those who support Lisa's parents, Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin, and squelching any kind of progress in this case. Progress would instead be answering those questions posed by law enforcement.
We keep hearing that the parents are cooperating with law enforcement. Their version of cooperation appears to be feeding information to law enforcement that has them go in any direction except culpability of Lisa's parents. If I were asked my definition of cooperation with law enforcement, it would be answering any questions law enforcement has.
Deborah and Jeremy, here's a novel idea for a compromise. Take your local attorney John Picerno with you to the police station and with him by your side, talk to law enforcement separately. That way if they do not ask the softball questions that Dr. Phil asked, you can take the cafeteria-style pick and choose approach to what you answer. Then, we can line up all of the reporters along the street outside of the police station getting video of you leaving and being whisked away in a black SUV by "consultant" Bill Stanton.
Deborah and Jeremy, you said in the Dr. Phil interview that you were waiting for things to calm down. Congratulation, they have calmed down. When I was at the noon start of the picket today, there were less than ten persons walking in front of your house with signs. I no longer sit at the counter of the Corner Cafe listening people talk about your daughter. It is hard to get any public interest in it because many of us have, like you, gone on with our lives. I congratulate you. If my children were still young and I claimed one was abducted, even after six months, I would be spending a lot of nights in the corner of my home crying, praying, and I would have lost weight due to the inability to even care about my own needs. I would be spending my days annoying the hell out of both national and local media, as well as law enforcement. They would be looking in the mirror in the mornings wondering not if, but when, they would be hearing from me each day. Congratulations. Things have calmed down.
As a former broadcast journalist, if I were Dr. Phil and if Joe Tacopina, your attorney, would have allowed me to (since he was kind enough to grant us the pleasure of your presence), I would have pressed as to why things needed to calm down? When media attention of your absent baby was at its height, why did you not take full advantage of that, particularly in the local media who wanted to help you so badly? Yet, you snubbed the local media.
How bad, Deborah and Jeremy, do you want your baby back home? Your actions continue to speak volumes that you do not believe she is alive to be able to come home. Tell me this is not true.
Deborah, when we met over the course of several hours, why did I not see you cry as much for Lisa being gone as I did when you bitched about what people online were saying about you?
As to today's picket protest, it does not matter whether the family members were home or not. What matters is the message. There are still people out there that do not buy what you are selling Deborah and Jeremy. You and I can agree that maybe the way the message is sometimes delivered gets the histrionics in the way of the message, but the listen to the message. It is clear. Your actions are offensive. Those close to you, who support your latest version of what happened appear to be less interested in finding the truth that they do demonizing anybody who does not believe you.
I have personally spoken with Megan Wright (the former pink haired girl with the cell phone), members of Megan's former household, possible eyewitness Mike Thompson, your friends and family members, and even you Deborah. I have spoken to those persons that say they have access to both Megan's cell records and Jeremy's business cell records. While I am a Missouri licensed private investigator, I have done this in the role of a reporter/blogger, since nobody hired me. I have put information out there in hopes someone who knows something could add to it.
Why has your "team" not spoken to these people? What is Bill Stanton's role, since it now appears the title of private investigator was something he acquired out of thin air and appears to have no license? Why has benefactor Kristi Schiller never transferred the $100k reward to crime stoppers to make the reward real? Why, Deborah, is your cousin Mike Lerette reportedly "courting" (sorry for the old-fashioned word, but I wanted to use a polite term) your former next door neighbor Samantha Brando who was with you the night anyone reportedly last saw Lisa when she could be considered a potential witness?
I know Jeremy and Deborah will not answer my questions. But these are very good questions that remained unanswered. As for Lisa, many of us are sorry. We are sorry that many persons choose to put on rose colored glasses, rather than work toward making someone pay for whatever happened to you the night you were reportedly last seen. Named for your deceased grandmother, Lisa, you deserve far better.
I was at the picket protest today in front of the Bradley/Irwin home on N. Lister to observe. You would recognize the residence. It is the one that does not have its lawn mowed with a few signs in the windows.
A silver vehicle stopped at a nearby intersection in the street, apparently curiosity seeking during the early minutes of the protest. When persons in attendance walked that direction, the vehicle left, reportedly snapping photographs of license plates of those in attendance. It appears it MAY have been the owners of a pro-Deborah Bradley website.
When this occurs, you have to ask why? Were they attempting to intimidate the peaceful protestors by snapping the photos? What do they plan to do with the license plate photos? Not just anyone can LEGALLY run license plates and, those who can, must have permissible purpose. Once again, those supporting the family's view of what happened that night are making those who do not drink the kool-aid into those that are demonized.
Another protestor believed they saw a relative of Deborah Bradley's drive by and give a finger of disapproval to those in attendance. I hope they were wrong.
It appears there are two "teams". Those who are for finding out who is responsible for the disappearance of Lisa and those who support Lisa's parents, Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin, and squelching any kind of progress in this case. Progress would instead be answering those questions posed by law enforcement.
We keep hearing that the parents are cooperating with law enforcement. Their version of cooperation appears to be feeding information to law enforcement that has them go in any direction except culpability of Lisa's parents. If I were asked my definition of cooperation with law enforcement, it would be answering any questions law enforcement has.
Deborah and Jeremy, here's a novel idea for a compromise. Take your local attorney John Picerno with you to the police station and with him by your side, talk to law enforcement separately. That way if they do not ask the softball questions that Dr. Phil asked, you can take the cafeteria-style pick and choose approach to what you answer. Then, we can line up all of the reporters along the street outside of the police station getting video of you leaving and being whisked away in a black SUV by "consultant" Bill Stanton.
Deborah and Jeremy, you said in the Dr. Phil interview that you were waiting for things to calm down. Congratulation, they have calmed down. When I was at the noon start of the picket today, there were less than ten persons walking in front of your house with signs. I no longer sit at the counter of the Corner Cafe listening people talk about your daughter. It is hard to get any public interest in it because many of us have, like you, gone on with our lives. I congratulate you. If my children were still young and I claimed one was abducted, even after six months, I would be spending a lot of nights in the corner of my home crying, praying, and I would have lost weight due to the inability to even care about my own needs. I would be spending my days annoying the hell out of both national and local media, as well as law enforcement. They would be looking in the mirror in the mornings wondering not if, but when, they would be hearing from me each day. Congratulations. Things have calmed down.
As a former broadcast journalist, if I were Dr. Phil and if Joe Tacopina, your attorney, would have allowed me to (since he was kind enough to grant us the pleasure of your presence), I would have pressed as to why things needed to calm down? When media attention of your absent baby was at its height, why did you not take full advantage of that, particularly in the local media who wanted to help you so badly? Yet, you snubbed the local media.
How bad, Deborah and Jeremy, do you want your baby back home? Your actions continue to speak volumes that you do not believe she is alive to be able to come home. Tell me this is not true.
Deborah, when we met over the course of several hours, why did I not see you cry as much for Lisa being gone as I did when you bitched about what people online were saying about you?
As to today's picket protest, it does not matter whether the family members were home or not. What matters is the message. There are still people out there that do not buy what you are selling Deborah and Jeremy. You and I can agree that maybe the way the message is sometimes delivered gets the histrionics in the way of the message, but the listen to the message. It is clear. Your actions are offensive. Those close to you, who support your latest version of what happened appear to be less interested in finding the truth that they do demonizing anybody who does not believe you.
I have personally spoken with Megan Wright (the former pink haired girl with the cell phone), members of Megan's former household, possible eyewitness Mike Thompson, your friends and family members, and even you Deborah. I have spoken to those persons that say they have access to both Megan's cell records and Jeremy's business cell records. While I am a Missouri licensed private investigator, I have done this in the role of a reporter/blogger, since nobody hired me. I have put information out there in hopes someone who knows something could add to it.
Why has your "team" not spoken to these people? What is Bill Stanton's role, since it now appears the title of private investigator was something he acquired out of thin air and appears to have no license? Why has benefactor Kristi Schiller never transferred the $100k reward to crime stoppers to make the reward real? Why, Deborah, is your cousin Mike Lerette reportedly "courting" (sorry for the old-fashioned word, but I wanted to use a polite term) your former next door neighbor Samantha Brando who was with you the night anyone reportedly last saw Lisa when she could be considered a potential witness?
I know Jeremy and Deborah will not answer my questions. But these are very good questions that remained unanswered. As for Lisa, many of us are sorry. We are sorry that many persons choose to put on rose colored glasses, rather than work toward making someone pay for whatever happened to you the night you were reportedly last seen. Named for your deceased grandmother, Lisa, you deserve far better.
Tuesday, February 7, 2012
The Casey Anthony Photos and Rob Hensley
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I received a private message on one of the social networks late Monday night. It was from Rob Hensley. You will recall that Rob is the one accused of leaking photos and video of Casey Anthony about a month ago. He was the topic of discussion on television networks and was quite the popular guy.
Rob's message to me was he finally wanted to talk. He wanted to tell how he got the Casey Anthony visuals and answer questions. Why me when so many have been wanting to sit down with him? He said he saw how I have treated everyone fairly that I have spoken to in the Kansas City missing baby case of Lisa Irwin. Rob said he would answer my questions but he did not want his answers edited. Fair enough.
I met Rob at his local watering hole. We sat down and he showed me 80 photographs he has of Casey Anthony. However, he says they will not be released by him. Some of the photos have already been released by someone else. Many have not been seen by the public...yet.
He also showed me several accounts Casey Anthony had on various sites across the internet. When light was shed on all of this, it wasn't nearly as James Bond-ish as what it was made out to be.
Rob says he did not mean any of this to happen. He did not intend for the videos/photos to get out. "never meant for this and I don't want harm on her (Casey), you know"
Rugen: What is your interest in Casey Anthony?
Hensley: I watched the entire trial, every freakin' minute of it. I joined (online) support groups; just started doing a lot of research on it. The day she got released I did a lot of research on those planes that left that airport.
Rugen: Why? Is this just a hobby?
Hensley: It was a challenge. All of the supporters said I would be the one to find her, just because I know how to research stuff. And I do it through Google. Everybody's like "god, Rob, how do you get all of your information?" Well, you've got to word it right.
And everything is basically public record. I found the deed for her (Casey's) parents' house when they lived in Ohio back in '84.
Rugen: What is your personal opinion as to what happened with her daughter Caylee's death and the trial verdict?
Hensley: I've got to agree with the verdict because they never showed any evidence that she did it. She was found not guilty but I'm not saying she was innocent because she knows what happened. That whole family knows what happened.
To be honest, I don't know what happened. We don't know who was telling the truth. When the judge released those sealed documents from the doctor, she told the doctors in 2010, November, that her dad came in her bedroom with Caylee in his hands, dripping wet. She drowned. She talked about sexual abuse.
Rugen: So, before the trial, you no knowledge of anything other than what you saw in the news media?
Hensley: Well, the trial was so long. And it took three years to take her to trial. I remember when she got arrested. And back then, when somebody first gets arrested, everybody is like "well, they did it." Then, I watched that trial, every second of it. I quit my job to watch it.
Rugen: Whenever the first set of videos were "leaked" around January 5, 2012, there were rumors that you were Casey Anthony's boyfriend. Others were saying you were the cousin of her former attorney, Jose Baez.
Henley: I laughed about that. And the day before the rumor came out that he (Baez) got fired, he actually told Nancy Grace or made a statement on one of the HLN shows that I'm not his cousin. People also said Casey was working for my landscaping company. My dad had a landscaping company and shut it down fifteen years ago. They found an advertisement company. So they were saying she was working for my (non-existent) landscaping company. And if she is working for my landscaping company that would mean she was in Kansas (laughs).
Rugen: Somewhat off the track, but you have also been accused of showing interest in the Lisa Irwin, missing baby case here in the Kansas City area. Actually, you sent me emails in late October and early November about the case. What is your interest with that?
Hensley: I was surprised that the public didn't go out and look for her more like they did Caylee. I just wanted to help out. My interest was just like the Caylee case.
Rugen: You had emailed me asking where Jeremy Irwin worked.
Hensley: I was looking at time frames and stuff. I don't even research the case anymore.
Rugen: How did you come to know Casey in terms of these videos and photos that were initially leaked around January 5, 2012?
Hensley: I got an anonymous email.
Rugen: Why would you of all people get an anonymous email?
Hensley: Because I was trusted.
Rugen: How did they know about you?
Hensley: Everybody knows about me.
Rugen: Really (laughs)? Who is Rob Hensley?
Hensley: I'm one of the popular supporters of Casey Anthony. If you go to any of the social network support pages or hate pages, well, now when you say my name, everybody knows me. I've always given the people the facts.
Rugen: Now, you know when people read this they are going to say, how in the world could he support her when she killed her baby? That is what the masses will say. How would you respond to that?
Hensley: They can kiss my ass. Everybody has their right to an opinion. I just try and not think about what those people say about her.
Rugen: So you don't think she was responsible for her daughter's death?
Hensley: I don't think she is. Of course she knows what happened. But how can we believe what comes out of her mouth. She could come out and say she killed her and nobody is going to believe her.
Rugen: Why? Because she is a liar?
Hensley: Well, she has been proven as a liar. She was a damned good liar. Hell, the prosecuting attorney said that was the best liar he had ever met.
Rugen: Back to the photographs and video, what was your tie in specifically? Help me understand how this all happened.
Hensley: My source was surprised about the photos and video too. And the source is a supporter, too. Boom. There was an email and, wow, look at that. And they said they were shocked.
Rugen: So, your source sent you an email with the attachments. And you did not do anything to obtain them illegally?
Hensley: They were not hacked. The supporters are saying she was hacked. The haters are saying she was not hacked. The media knows she wasn't hacked.
Rugen: Then, how were they obtained?
Hensley: I have no idea how. I'm pretty sure she sent them to somebody she trusted. Then it spiraled out of control. I know some of them went to her lawyers.
Rugen: What makes you think that?
Hensley: Everybody thinks her lawyers were protecting her. They weren't protecting her.
Rugen: How many levels did these attachments go through before it got to you?
Hensley: I heard it was eight. I honestly know she wasn't hacked. I don't even think Casey knows what the hell has been going on.
She has a small group of friends from what I have seen from her old accounts.
Rugen: So, somebody who she should not trust was in that group.
Hensley: Yeah. And, it's just like there's one photograph that leaked a couple of weeks ago. I'm like, where the hell did that come from. And it was one of the photograph I got a couple of days ago. And my source had not even seen it yet.
People are thinking that Casey is leaking them. But I do know that Devon Thomas, a Caylee warrior, leaked the new ones that were leaked yesterday. Then, Michell Dawn Smith (an Ohio Facebook user) posted them on her Facebook yesterday. And we are trying to figure out Davon is getting stuff. His (Facebook) profile says he is from England.
Rugen: So, one of the big questions folks have been asking is have you made any money on any interviews or any releasing of photos or video.
Hensley: Nope. And from a reporter I talked to at an Orlando NBC station, he says nobody has made money. He says NBC doesn't own the rights to them. So, nobody has made money off of them as far as I know. If anybody has made money off of them, it has to be Casey because she owns the rights.
That's why the media is not releasing the second video, because of copyright. They don't want to get in trouble.
That little 9 second video that's out there, that's the start of the second video that hasn't been released yet. That came out about an hour after the big video did.
Rugen: So has this resulted in threats against you as a supporter of Casey Anthony?
Hensley: I have been threatened where I had to leave Olatha (Kansas) and stay in Blue Springs (Missouri) for a while. People were threatening me on social networking pages saying "you're going to die like her."
My lawyer actually called the Olathe police department to have them step up patrols around my grandma's house. I live with my grandma.
One of my long time friends found out what happened and she asked me if I needed a place to stay. So, I went and stayed at her house for a bit in Blue Springs.
People just need to leave Casey Anthony alone. I know that. I never meant for this to happen. I'm very sorry.
Rugen: So, you officially did not leak the photos?
Hensley: I didn't leak them to the world or the media. I never sent them as actual files to anybody. They were on my (secured) YouTube and they ripped them off. There's software to do that.
The thing of it is when you upload a video to YouTube, it's automatically copyrighted by YouTube to protect your rights. So, they actually broke the law taking them.
Rugen: There has been some discussion around this about your criminal record.
Hensley: I've never kept it from anybody. I got some DWIs. I got a criminal threat, which is a felony in the state of Kansas and I did 16 months in prison. I broke into a house in 1999 and I went to prison for it for four months. That was back when I was a meth addict. I'm a recovering drug addict. I haven't used hard drugs in three years.
Rugen: So you admit these things but they have no relevance on your interest in the Casey Anthony case or the photos?
Hensley: People say, "oh my gosh, he's a criminal". Everybody knew I was. I don't break the law anymore. I learned my lesson. I've lost my driver's license until 2019 because of so many DWIs.
I don't see the point. Everybody has screw up in their life one time or another. Some people don't get caught. Some people do.
On my DWIs, the reason I went to jail is because I refused to blow. The cop says, "you've been drinking?" I said, "yeah". He said, "we're going to take some tests". I said, "nope. Handcuff me." I wanted the minimum sentence. If you blow, they're going to give you the max.
Rugen: Have you had any communication directly with Casey Anthony?
Hensley: No. I sent Casey a message the only time I created a fake Twitter account and told her to shut everything down. That was about a week-and-a-half or two weeks ago. I didn't even say who I was. I was like, "I know who you are. Shut it down."
Rugen: And how do you find out these new accounts Casey starts? Is it through the grapevine?
Hensley: When you change your Twitter name, all it does is change your address. You still keep your "friends". And when she did it, I was like oh crap. The next day I came across one of her friends from the church and thought the photo looks familiar; the stuff in the background. I sent it to my source and he said, "oh, shit. He found her again."
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